tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-994070224761667321.post5537501311549743242..comments2024-03-27T15:33:24.977+00:00Comments on Interesting Sailboats: AMEL 50 - 2018 EUROPEAN YACHT OF THE YEAR?????Paulohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14910018730823789405noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-994070224761667321.post-57384461939167669982021-12-16T17:45:41.493+00:002021-12-16T17:45:41.493+00:00You can only be kidding. How can you plot the stab...You can only be kidding. How can you plot the stability curves without having all the data from the Amel 50, that only the designer can provide? <br /><br />The two stability curves have to be very different very due to two very different B/D on a hull that is not very different, and having the HR a keel with more draft.<br /><br />The first part of the stability curve will be just slightly Paulohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14910018730823789405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-994070224761667321.post-69136999213347069792021-12-15T21:00:14.556+00:002021-12-15T21:00:14.556+00:00Just FYI, the stability curves of the HR 50 and th...Just FYI, the stability curves of the HR 50 and the Amel 50 are almost identical. I plotted them together. They might as well be of the same boat, even with all the different specs. Go figure...<br /><br />I will pick the Amel 50 over the HR 50 every time, for so many reasons (enclosed cockpit, no external wood, proper engine room, watertight compartments, etc.). This does not mean that I do not Et Voilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13066688740976401477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-994070224761667321.post-89534313553324491272021-10-17T19:44:32.335+01:002021-10-17T19:44:32.335+01:00Settles what? What I said was: "A very good s...Settles what? What I said was: "A very good safety stability, a very good RM at 90º heel and a very good AVS are all items that are indispensable to all very good offshore boats, being them narrow or beamy."<br /><br />Yes, Hallberg Rassy looks to has gone for what most people want, huge interior volumes at the cost of mainly upwind and light wind sailing potential, but in what regards Paulohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14910018730823789405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-994070224761667321.post-24471687061573442822021-10-16T19:09:14.457+01:002021-10-16T19:09:14.457+01:00Well, the HB 50, actually is beamier then the Amel...Well, the HB 50, actually is beamier then the Amel 50, so that kind of settles that. https://www.hallberg-rassy.com/yachts/new-hallberg-rassy-50/. Do agree with the b/d ration, could be better.Joshua van Eijndhovenhttps://www.hallberg-rassy.com/yachts/new-hallberg-rassy-50/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-994070224761667321.post-40398359445437113542020-08-08T09:48:48.105+01:002020-08-08T09:48:48.105+01:00Weight by itself is a thing to avoid in any sailbo...Weight by itself is a thing to avoid in any sailboat. A sailboat should be as light as possible given the needed structural strength and the desirable interior finish and stability.<br /><br />All the things being the same a lighter boat sails better than an heavier one.<br /><br />Yes, more displacement increases overall stability and considering the same materials and building techniques make aPaulohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14910018730823789405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-994070224761667321.post-812466391981667272020-08-07T20:02:08.867+01:002020-08-07T20:02:08.867+01:00Isnt a bit unfair to compare the amel to beneteau?...Isnt a bit unfair to compare the amel to beneteau? I dont know anything about yatch design but, whouldnt the heavier weight of the amel make him better them a beneteau or any other production boat of same lenght?<br />Lucashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01877792882266725516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-994070224761667321.post-64227185131891206322019-03-08T13:26:40.030+00:002019-03-08T13:26:40.030+00:00Maybe I just should have added some boats that hav...Maybe I just should have added some boats that have that have those stability characteristics that make them particularly good for bluewater sailing and are also medium weight boats. Here are some of them: Halberg Rassy 44, Saare 46, XC 45. <br /><br />On the Saare 46 I have heard that for not much money they will modify the boat to your needs. It does not seem difficult to me to have the Paulohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14910018730823789405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-994070224761667321.post-84198308352898466092019-03-08T13:01:28.896+00:002019-03-08T13:01:28.896+00:00Hi,
No, I am not saying that the Amel 50 is not su...Hi,<br />No, I am not saying that the Amel 50 is not suited for sailing the globe, I am saying that, in what regards stability characteristics, it is not PARTICULARLY FITTED FOR IT, contrary to what the image brand suggests.<br /><br />I would also not say that the Sense 46 is not suited for it. <br /><br />The Amel has some other characteristics, like the one of having an enclosed helm position Paulohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14910018730823789405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-994070224761667321.post-35506286026862863932019-03-08T08:11:41.938+00:002019-03-08T08:11:41.938+00:00Hi Paulo,
Very interesting observations and I have...Hi Paulo,<br />Very interesting observations and I have always liked the Amel except for the need to manage two set of sails in addition to a jib and genoa. I sail effectively single handed and need a very manageable sail configuration. With the launch of the 50 I thought at last here is a boat that meets the needs of my wife (comfort, wide beam, space, enclosed helm position, large aft cabin etcAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-994070224761667321.post-45071036668196954102018-12-21T14:34:57.616+00:002018-12-21T14:34:57.616+00:00Boats are what they are and in regarding design al...Boats are what they are and in regarding design all types of compromises are made and one of things I try to do on this blog is making those (sometimes) hidden compromises clear to all.<br /><br />I don't like the design of the Gunfleet 43, I mean aesthetically, but yes it offers a great interior and contrary to the HR 44 it has nor compromised outside storage.<br /><br />But contrary tho thePaulohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14910018730823789405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-994070224761667321.post-78630533533608380322018-12-21T07:54:50.098+00:002018-12-21T07:54:50.098+00:00Maybe possibly part of the criteria were "the...Maybe possibly part of the criteria were "the more livable" boat? <br />I agree with your technical break-down, but increased interior volume, I first really understood this seeing the lifted deck on the gunfleet 43, its like two 43 feet boats stuffed on top of each other. but the massive increase in interior space and livability, can not be discounted, in test after test, the Bo Lorentzenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13156259674861022087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-994070224761667321.post-79897509286174631872018-01-26T17:52:00.176+00:002018-01-26T17:52:00.176+00:00That is a very funny thing to say about me on two ...That is a very funny thing to say about me on two counts: that I favor narrower boats to beamy boats and that I favor heavy boats to lighter boats and I bet that the ones that know me for a long time will be smiling, if not laughing at your remarks.<br /><br />Before beamy boats become the norm, more than 15 years ago, I was already defending the advantages of beamy boats with a hull based on Paulohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14910018730823789405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-994070224761667321.post-25213137476643128072018-01-26T16:29:51.377+00:002018-01-26T16:29:51.377+00:00It is very clear that you are favoring narrower be...It is very clear that you are favoring narrower beam heavy ballasted cruising boats. They are becoming a thing of the past. HR build a great boat but they are just a little slower modernizing their hull design. Look at the new Oysters with the twin rudders and wide sterns. Next thing is foils...<br /><br />It is also very clear that you dislike the Amel 50 and you favor the HR boats. The EuropeanEt Voilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13066688740976401477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-994070224761667321.post-45083807608637260562018-01-26T11:08:31.177+00:002018-01-26T11:08:31.177+00:00Hi Christian,
Thanks for your words. It was very ...Hi Christian,<br /><br />Thanks for your words. It was very agreeable to meet you on the boat show even more in such an unexpected way LOL.<br /><br />Fair windsPaulohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14910018730823789405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-994070224761667321.post-19322527642136992202018-01-25T18:02:12.159+00:002018-01-25T18:02:12.159+00:00Hello Paulo, I met you on the fair in Düsseldorf o...Hello Paulo, I met you on the fair in Düsseldorf on board the Pogo 12.50 and addressed you, but here I would like to take the opportunity to thank you again for the best sailing blog in my opinion. It is always very, very interesting and enriching to read the articles. Also, because not only everything is praised, but sometimes even critically considered. A very, very big THANK YOU for that. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-994070224761667321.post-78906483777491764322018-01-24T15:11:11.629+00:002018-01-24T15:11:11.629+00:00there's a joke going around here in San Diego ...there's a joke going around here in San Diego where I dock my boat...there are 10's of 1000's boats across all marinas...90% of them never leave their slip (and the anedoctal observation of the quays around me confirm it), of the remaining 10%, 90% never leave the bay, of the remaining 1% only an handful adventure much farther from the entrance channel...sailing from SD to Catalina Alessandrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09650344220751108512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-994070224761667321.post-19680171609059775642018-01-24T05:46:16.910+00:002018-01-24T05:46:16.910+00:00Very, very good post, and a very good conparison o...Very, very good post, and a very good conparison on the Amel and HR. I wholeheartedly agree with you on all points.Mikkel Petersennoreply@blogger.com