When I looked at the Bavaria C42 at the Dusseldorf Boat Show I was impressed: it's difficult to make something different on the mass production boat design because the limitations are many and the design guidelines very similar but the C42 looks not only out of the box but also has a very well designed hull.
And it is not only the hull, but the running rig is also very interesting, with a boom controlled without a traveler (unfortunately as almost all boats on the segment) but with a very unusual big distance between the two controlling blocks, allowing a better control downwind and the cockpit is already set for having two optional extra winches, for the ones that will prefer a bigger genoa, a Code 0 or a Gennaker to the standard self-tacking jib.
As I have pointed out in a previous post the construction techniques used on the C42 are better than the ones used on similar boats, featuring a sandwich hull. On the other brands, with the exception of the Hanse 418, they only use it on 50ft boats and bigger. Unfortunately, it seems that that the one that will substitute the 418 will revert to a monolithic hull as they have done on the new 458, where they are using already a more basic and less expensive monolithic hull.
Many other boats in the class do not offer 6 winches as an option and worse, if you want to install them there is no place suited for them neither the running rigging is thought to use them.
Bavaria C-line boat structure is also an improvement regarding other Bavarias and other mass production boats. They use a system developed by Cossutti, the Modutech Assembly System, that was initially developed for the Italia Yachts and was recently used on the Swan 48 (designed by Freers but with a structural Modutech Assembly system by Cossutti).
Some years ago I had a conversation about the C-line boat structure with the engineer responsible for its adaptation on the C45 and he assured me that this system with the associated structure ( the bulkheads are also partially laminated to the hull) is a big improvement in what regards strength over the system Bavaria used for many years on older models.
But the big question was if the boat sails as well as it looks. For knowing that we need test sails and by now several testers from sail magazines tested it: all were impressed with the boat sailing potential and the way it sailed.
On the French magazine Voile Magazine on a test of over 100nm they said: "Class and Talent: As expected we got a strong breeze for the test, but the sea is flat in the Vilaine estuary where our dashing C42 is tumbling at full speed. 9, 10 knots, soon 11 ... The spinnaker is stable, the helm remains surprisingly smooth and sensitive. It gives the privileged exhilarating sensations of power and control not necessarily expected from an honest family cruiser. However, we are neither on a dashing Italian race-cruiser nor on a Scandinavian fast boat, but of course, on a Bavaria!"
Yacht.de was also one of the sail magazines that test sailed the C42 and they were also very positive about the way it sailed and despite the huge beam they reported 7.5 knots upwind and were impressed saying that overall it is a fast yacht. They made a video from the test (that you can download on their site) and we can see that the C42 sails very well.
But this is a very beamy hull and it will be slower on the light wind than considerably less beamy boats, like for instance the Jeanneau 410, but most cruisers when the wind is light just turn the engine on and that explains this choice of beamy hulls that are used on almost all mass production boats, hulls that offer many other advantages among them sailing with less heel and more interior volume.
Anyway, I would say that on this boat it would make sense to have a code 0 on a furler to improve the light wind ability and contrary to others, this one has the possibility of having the extra winches to make its control easier.
The interior of the C42 is huge due to the rounded bow and big stern, the quality is the one that is to be expected on mass production boats, the different layouts seem functional and well adapted. The design is modern and to like it or not is a matter of taste.
Personally, I dislike the shape of the saloon table and I believe a rounded one would be not only nicer but a better option. Don't like the sharp angles of the chart table even if it has an interesting way of storing big charts. Don't like also the plastic decorative inserts but that would be easy to change. Besides that it seems nice, well done, and functional.
All the rest is pretty much what other boats on this segment offer except perhaps the water tankage that with only 210 liters is low for cruising, a way to make you pay 850 euros more for an additional tank that will give you a good 460L W tankage.
For the ones that like sailing, I would recommend the genoa option, which implies two more winches and a genoa traveler and the standard mast (not a furling one) that will increase the sail area and give a good 22.5 SA/D. The 27.9% B/D taking into account the torpedo keel and the 2.10 draft is not bad and also considerably better than what Beneteau and Jeanneau offer (24.5% and 25.7% with just some more cm draft).
But the bigger difference for the Beneteau and the Jeanneau is that even if built with superior building techniques the Bavaria is considerably heavier, but not slower, compensating the difference in weight with a taller mast and more sail area. This means that you will feel you are sailing a bigger boat, one that in fact has more stability and is more seaworthy.
In what that regards, for boats with the same length, the Bavaria C42 with a displacement of 9678kg will be in between the Beneteau or Jeanneau (8180/7784kg) and the Halberg Rassy (11000kg). I would say that for most cruisers, considering a relatively small yacht, Bavaria's approach in what regards displacement makes sense, not to mention that probably it allows for a stronger boat than the Beneteau or Jeanneau.
On a previous occasion, I made a more detailed technical comparison between the Bavaria C 42 and the also new Oceanis 40.1. You will find there information that completes this post:
Important note: Some of the information regarding the Bavaria C42 specifications have been altered by Bavaria, in what regards displacement, ballast and sail area, with relevance to boat safety stability, AVS and upwind performance. There is a new post about them (08/10/2021).
Interesting article as always. What exactly is the "modutech assembly system"? Different material or just a different production process?
BTW - a quick suggestion for you... if you want to attract more visitors on the blog (advertising of course), you should only send a short preview of the article in the email... so that ppl are encouraged to click! :)
I have no control regarding what is sent by email, I can send it or not. I thought it was just a notification. You mean they send the full article with photos and all?
Regarding the Modutech Assembly developed by Leo Curin (Pulse Yacht Design) for Bavaria it is a modular way of building boat with a structural GRP spider that accommodates all bulkheads. The system won the METS award for innovative technology.
It allows for a more stiff boat and diminishes all those parasite noises that the boats interior makes when sailing upwind with waves. Bavaria stupidly makes a big secret out of it instead of advertising and publishing photos.
I guess that is something not very different from what Cossutti used on the 13.98 Italia yacht: https://www.italiayachts.com/en/italia-13-98/
yes - it is sending the full article with phostos and everything. I still click to read it, activate videos (not accessible in the email), comments, etc... but in reality I assume most of the people will probably be happy with the email only :(
Thanks for che clarification, got it (and love it as new owner of an IY13.98...:))
No, Bavaria does not cheat at hull length and they provide the correct hull length on their site.
What happens is that they, as also the other mass production brands, use length overall for giving the boat name and with the bowsprit Bavaria has 42.4 feet.
They have all an hull length around 11.99 and if we consider that dimension they have all 39.4 ft and therefore the Jeanneau 410 is not a 41ft boat neither the Oceanis 41.1 and much less the Hanse 418 is a 42ft boat.
But I made that clear on a link on the post to a complementary post where I explained that: http://interestingsailboats.blogspot.com/2020/02/new-40-ft-cruisers-oceanis-401-versus.html
The Hanse 418 is a good boat but I would buy the Bavaria.
I believe the Bavaria is faster, it has a bigger SA/D, considerably more sail area and it is lighter.
The Bavaria B/D is 27.9%, the Hanse has 28.1% but I believe that difference is more than compensated by the much more efficient Bavaria keel that is in fact a L torpedo keel while the one on the Hanse is a L bulb keel with much less weight down.
The Bavaria hull has closed cell foam has core while the Hanse has balsa. I prefere the closed cell foam to balsa as core because it has much less problems if water enters the core.
Also the Hanse 418 is an old model that is next on the line to be substituted while the Bavaria C42 is a brand new model and that will have influence in some years on the resale value of the boat.
They say one thing on the brochure and another on the specification file. In principle the specification file is more trustworthy but anyway it is not good to say something on one side and the opposite on another.
They say on the specification file: - "GRP hull, isophthalic gelcoat, colour: Signal White (RAL 9003), 1st layer vinyl ester resin and solid laminat"
You can download it here: https://www.hanseyachtsag.com/hanse/gb/yachts/hanse-458/#m1580
I believe those images on the brochure are taken from a previous generic information regarding how Hanses were built. It is not accurate anymore and now it only applies to bigger boats (50ft and over).
It is a step back not using it in smaller boats anymore and WRONG to have misleading information on a boat brochure, assuming the specification file is right.
If the specification file is wrong, well, it is not a good sign either.
Interesting article as always. What exactly is the "modutech assembly system"? Different material or just a different production process?
ReplyDeleteBTW - a quick suggestion for you... if you want to attract more visitors on the blog (advertising of course), you should only send a short preview of the article in the email... so that ppl are encouraged to click! :)
I have no control regarding what is sent by email, I can send it or not. I thought it was just a notification. You mean they send the full article with photos and all?
DeleteRegarding the Modutech Assembly developed by Leo Curin (Pulse Yacht Design) for Bavaria it is a modular way of building boat with a structural GRP spider that accommodates all bulkheads. The system won the METS award for innovative technology.
It allows for a more stiff boat and diminishes all those parasite noises that the boats interior makes when sailing upwind with waves. Bavaria stupidly makes a big secret out of it instead of advertising and publishing photos.
I guess that is something not very different from what Cossutti used on the 13.98 Italia yacht: https://www.italiayachts.com/en/italia-13-98/
yes - it is sending the full article with phostos and everything. I still click to read it, activate videos (not accessible in the email), comments, etc... but in reality I assume most of the people will probably be happy with the email only :(
DeleteThanks for che clarification, got it (and love it as new owner of an IY13.98...:))
Ok, thanks. That is in fact a nonsense.
DeleteI checked and I cannot change what they send so I just cancelled it. Like you said it unfair for me and the blog.
What a coincidence you having a IY 13.98 LOL. Great sailing yacht.
I hope it will be not a problem since I post the blog posts on the main facebook yacht groups and also on my facebook personal page.
Bavaria cheats at hull length. This is not a Bavaria C42, but exactly Bavaria C39!!! Almost one meter less boat as you think. BR Dusan
DeleteNo, Bavaria does not cheat at hull length and they provide the correct hull length on their site.
DeleteWhat happens is that they, as also the other mass production brands, use length overall for giving the boat name and with the bowsprit Bavaria has 42.4 feet.
They have all an hull length around 11.99 and if we consider that dimension they have all 39.4 ft and therefore the Jeanneau 410 is not a 41ft boat neither the Oceanis 41.1 and much less the Hanse 418 is a 42ft boat.
But I made that clear on a link on the post to a complementary post where I explained that: http://interestingsailboats.blogspot.com/2020/02/new-40-ft-cruisers-oceanis-401-versus.html
The Hanse 418 is a good boat but I would buy the Bavaria.
ReplyDeleteI believe the Bavaria is faster, it has a bigger SA/D, considerably more sail area and it is lighter.
The Bavaria B/D is 27.9%, the Hanse has 28.1% but I believe that difference is more than compensated by the much more efficient Bavaria keel that is in fact a L torpedo keel while the one on the Hanse is a L bulb keel with much less weight down.
The Bavaria hull has closed cell foam has core while the Hanse has balsa. I prefere the closed cell foam to balsa as core because it has much less problems if water enters the core.
Also the Hanse 418 is an old model that is next on the line to be substituted while the Bavaria C42 is a brand new model and that will have influence in some years on the resale value of the boat.
Nice article!
ReplyDeleteBavaria its a nice builder, a lot of boat for what you payed...
They say one thing on the brochure and another on the specification file. In principle the specification file is more trustworthy but anyway it is not good to say something on one side and the opposite on another.
ReplyDeleteThey say on the specification file: - "GRP hull, isophthalic gelcoat, colour: Signal White (RAL 9003), 1st layer vinyl ester resin and solid laminat"
You can download it here: https://www.hanseyachtsag.com/hanse/gb/yachts/hanse-458/#m1580
I believe those images on the brochure are taken from a previous generic information regarding how Hanses were built. It is not accurate anymore and now it only applies to bigger boats (50ft and over).
It is a step back not using it in smaller boats anymore and WRONG to have misleading information on a boat brochure, assuming the specification file is right.
If the specification file is wrong, well, it is not a good sign either.
Hi Paulo and others - I am looking at the C42 or a SO 410.... Based on what you know so fra, what would you go for, and why? Thanks, Andy
ReplyDeleteIt takes time to reply to that, time that I don't have right now (moving to the winter quarters). Maybe I will make a post about that soon.
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