Well, half new, because it is not really a new sailboat but an aft-cockpit version of the 40C, which is a central cockpit boat. Except for the different cockpit position and interior layout, all is the same, the hull, sail area, tankage, engine, hull, rudders, keel ballast and draft.
I have done a comparison between the HR 40C and the HR 412 here:Now that the HR 412 has been retired and substituted by the HR 400, a 41.4ft boat being substituted by a slightly smaller yacht (40.4ft), but with a bigger waterline and more beam (4.18 to 4.11m), the comparison that matters now is between the HR 400 and the 40C.
Difficult to understand why the winches on the 400 are not more aft and why the second winch is not closer to the one near the wheel. The way it is, it does not only prevent the helmsman from reaching it from the wheel position as its operation intrudes with "passengers" sitting on the cockpit.
On top of all this, the helmsman seating position is better on the 40C. Normally in this size of boat, I would prefer an AC cockpit to a CC one, but in this case, while the 40C is exceptionally well designed, the 400 leaves much to be desired, particularly the winch position and the treatment of the aft part of the cockpit.
I don't understand why the back seats don't start at the transom, allowing the wheels to come further aft, increasing the length of the cockpit seats, and allowing more space to lie down. Don't understand either why the swimming platform is not bigger, closing the cockpit. Saving money using the 40C swimming platform, on a boat this expensive should not be a reason.
Regarding outside storage, the 400, in the 3 cabin version, has little storage and should only be considered if small cruises or marina to marina cruising will be the owner's main program. The 40C offers more storage space, with two bigger stern sail lockers. The 400 two under the seat cockpit lockers (one on the 40C) will not compensate for the bigger overall outside storage space on the 40C.
This approximate size and type of sailboat, rarely is used for charter, and with a bigger percentage of owners using it more often for extensive cruising should have ideally two heads, two good cabins, a big galley and good interior and exterior storage space.
The 40C galley is much bigger than the one in the 400. The 400 galley could also be made bigger if a transversal aft cabin was considered. On the 400 it is hard to understand the lack of interior access to the main storage space due to the head layout, which has the toilet where that passage could be made.
Both saloons have the same space and distribution both can have two individual armchairs, only the position of the chart table and size varies, being considerably bigger on the 40C. The 400 has in fact an interior that is not smaller than the one of the bigger 412, with the exception of the chart table that is smaller, and that is no small feat.
A pity that for so little extra length, and for a small difference in price, they were not able to offer the smallest, and yet perfect, two cabin/two head cruising yacht. If that is very hard to manage or impossible to manage on a 40ft CC yacht, in what regards a 40 AC, that seems not so difficult, with the right compromises between outside storage and interior space, but in this case, the aft cabin seems too small for perfection and the outside storage space unnecessarily big.
Both are beautiful yachts with great quality and design interior, well built and yachts that will make their owners proud. Test sails have been very positive (40C) and this is a great size to be sailed solo with confidence, and for not being overwhelmed when those automatic systems, that allow a solo sailor to sail bigger yachts, fail, or when things just go wrong.
HR 40C Sail Tests available on-line: https://marina.ch/fr/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/04/Logbuch-HR40C-130-F.pdf
https://marina.ch/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Logbuch-HR40C-130-D.pdf
https://www.magzter.com/stories/Boating-Sailing/Yachting-Monthly/FIRST-TEST-HALLBERG-RASSY-40C
https://www.velaemotore.it/test-prova-hallberg-rassy-40c-navigazione-pregi-difetti-19187
The price, like the quality, is high and the difference in price between the two boats is negligible. The prices are originally in Swedish Crowns and have small variations due to money exchange, with both boats costing between 400 000 and 420 000 €, without VAT, standard at the shipyard.
Two heads are a waste of space on a 40' boat.
ReplyDeleteIt has not directly to do with the size of the boat but with the number of cabins used regularly. If two cabins are going to be used regularly by adults than the vast majority will prefer a two cabin, two head setup.
DeleteI agree, especially when a boat is sailed by a couple
DeleteTwo cabins/two heads is not applicable in case only one couple occupies the boat for most of the time.
Deleteyes, even if two heads means two times more storage space for related articles, but most of all, even the ones that sail as a couple, most of the time ( like me) receive guests from time to time and then, they will appreciate a separated head, as much as us.
DeleteI cannot immagine how to sail even only with my wife on a single head boat.
ReplyDeleteThey need for stern thrusters is as its twin rudders! You cant wash prop water over the rudder to move the stern sideways as you would on a conventional yacht. Maybe not essential and probably still better than some long keel yachts without stern thruster but if your going into tight marinas you'll be working harder...
ReplyDeleteYou don't need stern thrusters in a yacht this size. The bow thruster is more than enough. You rotate the boat with the bow thruster and then reverse slowly (for diminishing prop walk, if it does not come in the right direction)) to the berth.
DeleteIn most yachts with saildrive you will have very little rudder effect in prop wash because the rudder is far away from the propeller.
What the twin rudder does negatively is making the boat turn in a wider circle. I would be concerned about that if the boat had not a bow thruster, with one it is a piece of cake to put this boat in any berth, with a bit of practice.