In 2007 I was still looking for the boat to substitute my 5-year-old Bavaria 36, not because the boat had any problem, or because I wanted a newer one but because the Bavaria was not what wanted as a yacht for the retirement days, nothing to do with the interior, cruising amenities or even storage space, but with the upwind potential with stronger conditions. I explained the "problem" on the Luffe post, here:
JPK 110 |
So, one year after having sailed the Luffe 40.04, I went to France to see/testsail some boats and visit some shipyards being one of them JPK. JPK stands for Jean-Pierre Kelbert, the founder and owner of the shipyard, which at the time was a very small one.
He had only produced two boats, the JPK 9.60 (2003) and the one I was interested in, the JPK 110, a 36fter cruiser-racer that had been launched 2 years before.
The shipyard, as a yacht shipyard, was a very recent one (4 years old), but not only were the boats fast and very competitive on offshore races and Transats (the 9.60 had won the Transquadra and the Fastnet), as they have proven to be very resistant and well built.The 36ft was not as successful as her little sister but had already won several offshore races and at least one of the boats was being successfully used as a fast performance cruiser by a French sailor. This description, by an owner, about how the boat sailed with bad weather, had convinced me to check on that boat as a possible candidate for the Bavaria replacement.
JPK 110 |
Notwithstanding being a very recent yacht builder, JPK shipyard had already a big experience in top quality composites: since 1992 they produced high-quality windsurf boards for professional or top amateurs, and also composite parts for some of the best and bigger racing shipyards like CDK Technologies or Multiplast.
Talking with JPK was a very pleasant experience, he obviously knew not only a lot about boatbuilding but also a lot about sailing. He had been the European Windsurf Champion (1988, 1989), and later, racing his boats, many times with clients, he had become a very successful sail racer, in duo and with a crew.
From the top: JPK111, 38FC and 39FC |
I was very impressed with the boat, the quality of the work and with Jean-Pierre, who besides having a huge experience and knowledge, is a very nice guy, honest and straightforward. I remember that he invited me for a beer and I had to declined because I had a test sail and a visit to another shipyard that afternoon.
RM 1200 |
For different reasons, I chose neither the RM 1200 nor the JPK 110. The JPK 110 was ruled out not because of the way it sailed, neither due to the quality of the cruising interior (that was a very nice one for a fast boat), but due to the small forward cabin and due to an outside lack of storage. It had storage space on the cockpit floor, but with a very unpractical access, through a small hatch.
JPK 38 FC |
https://interestingsailboats.blogspot.com/2016/01/jpk-38fc.html
JPK 39FC |
JPK 39FC |
The wider bow sections and the rounded bow allows a much wider front cabin and even if it diminishes very slightly the upwind ability it will increase the downwind and beam reaching potential, not only due to the increased hull form stability but also due to the increased buoyancy on the forward sections, contributing to keeping the bow up while planning downwind, preventing it to dig on waves.
All the other dimensions are the same except for displacement that was 5000kg on the 38 and is now 5500kg on the 39. The ballast on the standard 2.15m draft keel (cast iron fin, lead torpedo) is the same, 1900kg.
This gives a lower B/D to the 39, (34.6% to 38.0%). The safety stability and AVS will be slightly worse than in the 38 but even so largely sufficient. That difference in B/D will be mostly noted on the 39 upwind performance with stronger weather, even considering the bigger 39 LWL, (11.0 for 10.4m). The bigger displacement will also have a negative influence on the downwind planning performance.
The drawing shows a big retractile bowsprit (carbon) but there is an intriguing hole on the bow on hull 1. Due to the inverted bow, it will be difficult to solve the anchor stand problem and the easiest solution seems to have it integrated on the bowsprit, but that seems not to be the case.
JPK 39FC 2 two cabin layout |
Hull - JPK 38FC |
But regarding the Pogo, besides this being a more well-balanced boat in what regards overall sailing, what seems remarkable in this design is that they managed to solve the problem of forward visibility from inside the boat and the need for a considerable standing height without making the boat look ugly. I find the cabin design elegant, a very clever design that allows having on the interior good standing height without increasing a lot the freeboard.
Hull - JPK 38FC |
The engine is a small 30hp Volvo with an option for a 38hp Yanmar that will be able to move the 5500kg without problems and wasting little fuel and the 90+90L (optional) diesel tankage should be more than enough.
Hull- JPK 38 FC |
And that would be the case if the boats were built the same way with the same materials, but they are not and that makes all the difference. While the JPK hull is built like the one of a racing boat, with better materials, vinylester and polyester resins (polyester on the HR, except on the outside layer that is vinylester), sandwich using vacuum infusion ( sandwich composite, hand laid on the HR), Airex as core (probably similar quality Divinycel on the HR), boat structure directly infused on the hull (matrix structure bonded and laminated to the hull on the HR), sandwich infused composite bulkheads, bonded and laminated to the hull and deck (plywood bulkheads glued and laminated to the hull and deck).
JPK 38FC interior |
And in this case ballast can be misleading, because the, JPK (excluded the keel) is much lighter (by building techniques and materials) than the HR and therefore much less ballast is needed for obtaining the same B/D. The JPK 39FC has a 34.6% B/D while the HR 372 has 38.6% but if we apply a 20% correction due to the less efficient HR keel and draft then the comparable HR B/D is 30.9%.
More about JPK shipyard: https://interestingsailboats.blogspot.com/2018/01/jpk-best-small-boat-builder.html
JPK 38FC torpedo keel |
It is also important to understand that even if the JPK 39C has a better GZ curve (arms curve) the smaller HR 372 has probably a close overall stability: the RM curve is obtained by multiplying boat mass by heeling arm (at all heeling points) and the overall stability corresponds to the total area under the positive part of the RM curve. The 36% HR mass will be compensated by the bigger JPK arm.
The bigger JPK GZ on all heeling points is due to a bigger hull form stability (much more beam) and also by a bigger corrected B/D (lower center of gravity), which will give it also better dynamic stability and better safety stability for an AVS that should not be very different, between 120 and 130º (HR372 has a 128º AVS).
HR 372 bulbed keel |
The point here is to give a comparative reference in what regards overall stability and seaworthiness with a well-known seaworthy yacht, the HR372 a medium weight cruiser that most will consider being adequate for bluewater sailing with a comfortable safety margin, one that will not be inferior to the one offered by a JPK 39FC.
A faster passage will be potentially a safer one because fewer days will be passed on passage and the bigger the possibility to remain inside the right meteorological window one wants to sail.
JPK 38FC optional arch |
What is offered for the price seems very good: a safe, very fast, very well built yacht, with a nice interior that will have relatively economic maintenance due to small sails (lightweight), small engine and small size (marina costs). But if you are interested in one it is better to hurry because right now the delivery time is already one year and I bet that when sailors see the real thing the waiting time is going to double very quickly.
This boat ticks so many boxes it would be very difficult to not buy it. It is always encouraging to see smaller yards, with original ideas and high quality, show so much success.
ReplyDeleteHi Paulo,
ReplyDeleteYou say:
"205 100€ with the standard 2.15m keel, 225 800€ with the optional swing keel (all prices at the shipyard without taxes)."
I believe these are the prices including taxes. See http://www.jpk.fr/modules/kameleon/upload/2018-Descriptif_38-GB.pdf it says 180K euro without tax for 38FC with lifting keel.
Hi unknown LOL,
DeleteI have received the prices from JPK some days ago, with taxes the prices are (with French VAT): 246 109€ and 270 935€ for the standard and swing keel versions.
It is normal the JPK 38FC to be less expensive, not only because it was a model in the end of production, but because this boat offers standard things that were options on the 38, like the carbon bowsprit.
Also, it seems to me that the cabin solution, bow and anchor stand, even if nicer are also more expensive solutions.
Thanks for the reply. It makes sense now, you were listing prices for JPK39FC not JPK38FC as that paragraph in the article says.
DeleteHi Paulo,
ReplyDeleteThank you for an another great article.
You mentioned that you would not choose JPK 39 for Med and Baltic sailing. So what would be your sailing yacht for that area?
Best regards,
Michael
Hi Żurek,
DeleteI did not really said that. The complete sentence was: "but it is not the case and for sailing mostly on the Med or Baltic, I would PROBABLY choose a different boat, one with better upwind ability, even if this boat should be considerably better and more comfortable upwind than a Pogo 36, that is smaller and has already more beam."
Meaning, I would not choose a Pogo for Med sailing and about the JPK39FC it is too early to say. I did not even saw the interior of this boat, but in what regards sailing I was referring to me, and not to most cruisers.
When I am cruising, contrary to many, I don't have rigid plans or a time-table and I keep sailing even with very light winds, that are common on the Med and Baltic. I only turn the engine on when the boat is doing less than 2.5 kt and in what regards sailing with light winds other cruising boats, with about same size and with a very good cruising interior, are a lot better, like for instance a J122e or a XP38.
They are also better upwind and upwind is what you sail most on the Med or Baltic, where the winds are variable and because when the boat makes wind the apparent wind moves forward. The faster the boat and the weaker the winds more this is important.
The bigger advantage of the JPK38FC is to be easier to sail downwind with medium high and high winds and easier on the autopilot and that is a very considerable advantage one that I should have to consider, because I am not young and I am becoming older.
So let's stay by the PROBABLY, and take into consideration that I really like sailing upwind on a very fast boat, and others can give a much bigger importance to sailing fast downwind, with medium high or strong winds. With those conditions, force 7 or over, I really have some problems convincing my wife to go out sailing (not on the Atlantic but on the Med where the waves are steeper) and I only get them if I pick them on the way and that happens more often than what my wife would like.LOL.
how would you compare the new salona 39 to this in terms of performance. the salona feels safer with stainless steel frame and watertight aft compartment, but i would happily trade those for a faster boat.
ReplyDeleteExcept in what regards upwind sailing and sailing in weak winds the JPK39 will be faster.
DeleteDepending on the location you sail and the winds you get in your sailing season, one can make more sense than the other, but both are fast boats, that will give a lot of fun to a sailor.
Look for instance to the last Middle Sea Race (600nm) that was raced with light wind conditions, with Pogos, even racing Class 40, had a lousy performance being easily beaten, and by much, by boats with similar characteristics as a Salona 39.