Saturday, January 4, 2020

NEW HALLBERG RASSY 40C VERSUS HR 412


A new Hallberg Rassy is always good news and a small one, on the more affordable side, is even better news. I bet some of you are thinking that 40ft is not small and on HR line they have a 31, a 34 and a 37ft boat but that is a unique case in the "luxury" yachts industry and I am very curious about how they manage that.
I don't know how many small boats they are selling but unless Sweden is a very particular market I would say they are selling a lot more 412 and 44 and making much more money on each boat than on the smaller ones and that is why they are really a rarity on the market, specially in what concerns expensive boats.

The truth is that 30 or 40 years ago a 40ft boat was a big cruising boat while today they are below average size in what regards cruising. The average size of boats, like the one of the houses, have been increasing with time and today most people, if they could, would buy boats between 44 and 50 ft for cruising.

So, in what regards size, 40ft is already on the "spartan" size for many cruisers and I am not talking about interior quality, just size, neither am I not talking about my particular tastes. Personally I would not have anything much bigger than 40ft, but I guess I am an exception.

In fact a 40ft boat has many advantages in what concerns marina prices and maintenance even if neither of the 40fters from HR, this one and the 415, are as good as they could be in what regards economy because their hulls are bigger than 12.00 and for some extra cm, in many places, the prices increase a lot. That's why most mass production 40ft boats have a hull length of 11.99m.

Probably the biggest difference on price, that will make those extra 31cm very expensive , regards the monthly tax for sailing in Greece that is 3 times more expensive if a boat is just some cm bigger than 11.99m. But even so many marines and shipyards calculate the price in square meters multiplying the length by the beam and in this case why pay more if one finds that the space on the boat  is enough to live comfortably?
Above 40C, Below 412
Available space  is not the same as comfort or coziness and the HR40c looks as nice and comfortable as its bigger sisters. Talking about space let's first compare the 40C one with the other 40fter on HR,  line, the 412. Why have two? Because the new one is a central cockpit boat while the 412 is an aft cockpit boat.

For many years Hallberg Rassy was known by their center cockpit boats and all boats bigger than 34ft had that configuration. When they made the first 37 aft cockpit, the 372 (2010), the first of the modern Hallberg Rassy, they maintained on their line the older designed 37 Center Cockpit (2005) saying that the 37CC was more of a bluewater boat. They had done the same when they introduced in 2012 the HR 412, maintaining on their line the old 40ft center cockpit (2002) and it is that boat, that had a MKII in 2007, that this boat substitutes.
Above 40C, Below 412

All that story about the CC line to be more seaworthy does not make much sense, in fact the 372 had a more modern hull, a slightly beamier one but the weight of the two boats was the same and even if the 37 had a bit more ballast the one on the 372 was enough for the two models having a very similar seaworthiness. 

The real problem to HR here, and the one that the company have been addressing quite carefully, is the perception clients have that older boats, CC cockpit boats that made the brand image, are more seaworthy than aft cockpit ones.

And that's why the company continues to make them even in what is a small size for a modern CC. That's because clients not only want that huge aft cabin but because they have the idea that they are more seaworthy than aft cockpit boats. Nothing wrong with clients preferring this configuration but contrary to what most believe that has nothing to do with seaworthiness or even to be more adapted for long range cruising.
Above 40C, Below 412


If we compare the layout of the 412 with the one of the new 40C the differences, advantages and disadvantages, are evident: basically the center cockpit version offers a huge aft king size cabin and a bigger galley but at the cost of a head for the king size cabin and that does not seem to make much sense even if it was also the case with the older 40MKII, that was a very successful boat, but I would say that times are changing and people that buy this type of boat demand more and more comfort.

I don't know if it is possible a very small head on the king size cabin, that does not appear in any of the layouts, but for it to be possible  some changes will be needed on the technical compartment that will practically disappear and implies the smaller galley that it is about the size of the one on the 412, with the disadvantage of  having only space for one person working. On the opposite side there is space for an optional freezer, a good option for long range cruising but that will need the use of a generator.

Above 40C, Below 412
And the generator location is one of the 40C disadvantages if we compare it with the 415. On the 40C, contrary to the aft cabin model, the generator is situated ahead of the engine making the access to the engine more difficult particularly on the layout with the bigger galley or if a head is installed adjacent to the main cabin.

Considering both boats with two cabins the three big advantages of the 412 over the 40C are a head for each of the two cabins, much more outside storage space and a much bigger cockpit, one where it will be possible to lie down and even sleep outside during night passages with good weather.

If one has no problem living with a much smaller cockpit, only one head for two cabins, being the head not adjacent to the main cabin, then the 40C can offer a bigger galley with considerable more storage space (including an optional freezer) and a huge main cabin.
Above 40C, Below 412

 I will leave you to chose the one that fits you better but one thing is certain, the 40C much smaller outside storage space for things like fenders, ropes, secondary anchor, sails, spars, covers, even for a deflated dinghy on an ocean passage, as well as all other stuff that the ones that cruise extensively know that is needed, makes it less suitable for living on a boat for  extended periods, unless one lives on a marina or sailing from marina to marina.

I have to confess that I find the new 40C better designed and even more beautiful and Frers made an amazing job hiding the extra volume that is apparent only when we look at the boat from behind. It should be said that I don't like the transom design of the 412 that looks dated.

Above 40C, Below 412
But what about sailing and seaworthiness? In what it regards the two boats are much more alike than what their different shapes may indicate. The hulls have many things in common being the one of the 40C slighter more modern with the beam pulled aft, a more vertical bow and just a bit less rocker due mostly to the new design of the hull bow and transom.

The 40C has a slightly smaller hull length (12.30, 12.61m) but a bigger LWL (11.74,11.50) the 40c is beamier (4.11, 4.18m) the 40C displacing 11 000kg is just 100kg lighter and it has slightly less ballast on a shorter identical design keel (3650, 4000kg), (1.99, 1.92m) The 40C B/D is 33%, the 412 has 36%.

The hulls of the HR have become beamy ones precisely with the 412, now with the one of the 40C they become even beamier nonetheless the boat relatively fine entries. In what regards beam the HR40C is comparable to the beamier mass production designs, like Hanse 418 (less 1cm) or to the Oceanis 41.1 (more 2cm).
With this kind of beam it makes all sense to use twin rudders and that is what they have opted for, having the twin rudders also advantages in what regards reliability and protection (they are less deep) it is a good choice that will also provide a good boat control. The major disadvantage regards marina maneuvers but as most boats will be equipped with a bow thruster that is not relevant.

Main cabins, above 40C, below 412
Regarding the keels I would lie if I said that I like them, they are old designed stub keels that connect with a massive lead bulbed part but, as almost all design options on a boat, they have advantages and disadvantages. Regarding advantages the stub interior space can be, and is, used for tankage helping to lower the CG, but that is more important on big boats where the volume available there is big.

As disadvantage we will have a more expensive system, a keel that will be less efficient and will need more ballast, a more difficult one to have the bolts inspected due to having the tanks over them. I guess the real reason they use them in small yachts has to do with the same reason they used to have for many years skeg rudders on their boats: the client's perception that they are safer  even if that is not true, as we could see recently on that case of the Oyster that lost its keel. It all depends on how they are designed and built.

On the HR site they have posted the stability curves and even if they are not directly comparable in detail (because RCD changed the way they were calculated in what regards the boat displacement) we can see that both have an AVS between 120 and 130º, that the 412, due to its bigger displacement, ballast and draft has just a bit more overall stability and that both boats have a much bigger positive stability than a negative one.

Above 40C, Below 412
I guess some of you will be asking how it is possible that the AVS values and the inverted stability not to be very different between the two boats, that have similar keels but having the 412 more draft and a bigger B/D. Well, bigger freeboards and higher cabins are bad for sailing (more windage) but have a positive effect in what regards diminishing inverted stability and sometimes even give the boat a better AVS and that is what is happening here.

So,  the bigger B/D and more draft on the 412 don't give it a better reserve stability? Yes, the 412 has a better reserve stability even if the AVS is not very different and besides that extra B/D and draft will give it more power.  There is one safety factor that is considerably better on the 412, the RM the boat is making to right itself up at big angles of heel after a knock.down.

If we consider the RM values given by the two stability curves (on boats with about the same displacement) and considering the 40C light ship one (that is not far in the way the one of the 412 is calculated) we can see that in what regards sailing upwind the 412 will be a more powerful boat making at 30º more power (to less drag). Its RM at 30º will be7391kgm and the 40C will be doing 6400kgm.
We can see also that for a heel of 90º those values are for the two boats 7000 to 6200kgm, for 100º they are 5500 to 4500kgm and that at 110º they are 3500 to 2850kgm.

Above 40C, Below 412
I am not saying that the 40C is not a very seaworthy boat, just saying that the stability values for the 412 are better in what regards stability at 30º, Max RM (9829 to 8500kgm), final stability even if both boats have similar AVS values and about the same proportion between positive and negative stability, a good one.

Regarding seaworthiness it is quite the contrary, if we compare the 40C with the typical mass production boat, of the same length, we will see that the 40C overall stability, safety stability, AVS and inverted stability are way better. But the ones that are used to look at center cockpit boats and consider them safer boats are, at least in what regards stability, wrong on this case and they should assume that each case is a case and not all are the same.

Center cockpit boats offer a more protected cockpit but also provide a bigger lateral area to a capsizing wave and because they are further from the CG, sailors on the cockpit will have a motion with more amplitude, specially in what regards rolling motion and that can be more uncomfortable, specially to the ones more prone to seasickness.

Aft cockpits are more exposed to waves, more wet and because the cockpit is much larger special attention should be given to holding points and points or lines to secure an harness in case of bad weather. One thing that is much better on aft cockpits is that on a 40ft boat there is space to lie there, not only for a siesta LOL, but for lying at night while sailing with an occasional look around, from time to time, to see if the seas are clear.

The 40C has a nice beamy hull
The sail area it is not very different on the two boats having the 40C just a bit more sail area, depending on the optimization of the main,  between 90.1 to 96.1 sqm  and the 412 from 90.1 to 96.1 sqm, both boats with a 100% fore triangle. Of course, on both boats it will only make sense to have this sail forward option if it is supplemented by a code 0, otherwise a 135% genoa would make more sense for almost all conditions.

Both boats will have a close performance providing they sail with a similar sail area. The 412 will be faster with light wind and with medium to strong conditions upwind and  the 40C will be faster downwind and possibly on a beam reach with medium to strong winds and will probably be easier on the autopilot.

Optional fixed sprayhood
Yes I saw the polars from the two boats and we can conclude from them that the 40C will be faster upwind with medium to strong winds but I don't buy it. I have seen plenty of very beamy boats with that kind of  good figures on the paper, for instance the X-41 versus the Pogo 12.50 and I am sure the numbers will ring true  if the boats sail upwind in 13k to 30k  wind on a sea without waves.

As this is not the case 99% of the times you have to count with wave drag and the extra power it demands to overcome its resistance. The 40C with more beam and that full transom will develop considerable more wave drag than the 412 (it will be more uncomfortable too: remember that on the forward sections there is more rocker on the 412) and that drag is not considered on those polar speeds.



Both boats are well built with good quality interiors having the ones of the 40C a more modern style, or if you prefer, being the ones of the 415 more conservative in taste. Regarding building methods and materials they are among the few quality boats that still use hand lay up instead of vacuum infusion (and I don't see the advantage) but seem to have abandoned another oddity that was having only sandwich above the water line. Now it is only monolithic on the keel area as most of the other quality yachts. They use PVC foam as core and vinylester resins.



In what regards tankage both boats have a big one, quite remarkable for boats of this size, 520 L of water and 400 L of diesel for the 40C while the 412 has respectively 530 and 340 L. The 412 has also two relatively big holding tanks (2x70L), a thing that is already very important if you sail in countries like Turkey and that certainly will be more important in the future. Curiously they do not specify the capacity of the single holding tank (only one head) on the 40C but if it has not at least 140L (very rare) it will be a disadvantage regarding the 412.



Both boats have powerful Volvo-Penta engines but it seems that the 40C has no option but only a 60hp engine while the 412 can have the 75hp or the 55 (60?). Anyway, they should provide more than adequate power and the 75hp one will give the HR a true motorsailor capacity and that explains also the need of the big diesel tanks.



Knowing the price with Hallberg Rassy is always complicated since they don't publish prices and you have to ask but it seems that the 40C will cost 370 000 without VAT, at least for the first boats and if that is so it will be less expensive than the 412, unless they take the opportunity to lower the 412 price.

1 comment:

  1. Very interesting considerations. Although I don't know the two boats directly, I also don't like the CC, it perhaps made sense on old boats, with a deep hull. In very flat modern boats, the central cockpit is on the "second floor".
    I too have the doubt that very wide and flat boats can have the polar performance in rough waters, wide boats should be light and kept light, and this goes little with the large cruise. So I would be tempted to prefer the 412, even if the wide bumps are very poor. Perhaps the current design to follow fashions are exaggerating in breadth, and perhaps with time they will go back a little.
    Then I notice that current cruising boats have similar performances to the old SO 39, so maybe there is nothing substantially new, obviously excluding boats like the Pogo, but these are a different thing.

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