Wednesday, April 6, 2022

NEW ELAN E6 VERSUS SALONA 46 AND DEHLER 46

Elan E6
I have been postponing this post for some weeks, waiting for more detailed information about the E6, but it seems the shipyard is not interested in providing it, so I will proceed with the available information.  

Salona 46
The Salona 46 and the Dehler 46 are the two other performance cruisers that have an approximate size and price and the ones I will compare it to. The Dehler 46 is a boat that has been on the market for already some years and that should receive in the next months an SQ version, similar to the one that has "modernized" the Dehler 38, and the Salona 46 is a relatively new model.

There is another yacht that could be in this comparison, the Azzuree 46, if I did not suspect that it went out of production. And I say this because of the lack of reply dates already for some years,  the last information regarding news on their site dates back from 2017, and I cannot find any new boats for sale. I assume they have stopped manufacturing it or are having trouble. The mother company, Sirena Marine produces mostly big motor yachts and probably they don't find this market niche to be worth the trouble.


Dehler 46
The Elan E6 has been launched recently, has been tested already by yacht.de, and that makes their lack of reply (not even a price list) more intriguing. The hull is the one of the more sedate Elan GT6 and maybe due to that it has a huge freeboard that contradicts the overall sportive look. Anyway, it is a beamy performance cruiser, a boat that by their options regarding running rigging we could call a cruiser-racer, allowing for good control over sail shape.


Salona 46
However, it may be noticed that in regard to racing, Elan is not known for having obtained good results in any of the big classic regattas, with the exception of the smaller Elan 350. The same can be said regarding Dehler, with Salona having better results with several models.

The Elan E6 with a 14.10m HL (46.3ft) and the Dehler 46, with 13.95m (45.8ft) are truly 46ft boats, the Salona is really a 44ft boat, with a 13.50 HL (44.3ft). In what concerns LWL the differences are bigger, the Elan having 13.68m, the Dehler 12.90m and the Salona 12.23m.


Elan E6
Regarding beam and L/B (length/beam), the Elan is the beamier with 4.49m  and with a 3.14 L/B, the Dehler has a 4.35m beam and a 3.21 L/B and the Salona, the narrower, with a 4.20m beam and 3.21 L/B. As you know, the bigger the L/B, the narrower the boat, and that means that taking into account boat lengths, the Dehler and the Salona have a similar beam while the Elan is a beamier boat, comparable in L/B with the Grand Soleil 44 (3.12), that is slightly beamier. 


Dehler 46
The Solaris 44, the XP44, the Italia 14.98 have respectively a 3.19 L/B, a 3.27 L/B and 3.34 L/B and are less beamier sailboats. The X4.6 (3.16 L/B) while being beamier than the last ones is narrower than the Elan 3.14) and GS (3.12) but in regard to all the others, it is the beamier among them.

In recent articles, I have been insisting on the loss of overall sail performance due to excessive beam, a modern tendency to allow for huge interiors, however, if the Elan E6 and the Grand Soleil 44 can be considered beamy boats while being performance cruisers, it would not be the case if we compared them to slower main market cruisers. The Hanse 460 has 2.9 L/B, and the Oceanis 46.1  has a 3.0 L/B, being much beamier sailboats.


Salona 46
If you want to know more about the sail performance and beam you have more information in this article:

https://interestingsailboats.blogspot.com/2022/03/hull-shape-bd-and-boats-performance.html

Regarding displacement and D/L the Elan displaces 11250kg for a 121.8 D/L and a 29% ballast/ displacement with the ballast in a torpedo keel with a 2.8m draft. The Salona 46 displaces 9500kg for a 148.7 D/L and a 29.3% B/D, with the ballast in a torpedo keel with a 2.44m draft. 


Elan E6
The Dehler 46 has, on the slower version,  11500kg displacement, a 149.2 D/L, and a 30.4% B/D with the ballast on an L bulbed keel with a 2.25m draft. The Dehler's faster version (called Race?!) has a 11200kg displacement for a 145.2 D/L and a 28.1%B/D with the ballast on a 2.58m torpedo keel.

We can see by these numbers and ratios that the proportionally lighter boat is the Elan E6, but the bigger D/L is due in part to a type of hull that maximizes LWL, while the hulls of Salona and Dehler have a much bigger difference between HL and LWL than the Elan. 

But on the Salona and Dehler the LWL will increase with heel a lot more than the one of the Elan, due to a very different transom design. We can see that while on the Elan the difference between HL and LWL is  42cm, on the Salona that difference is 127cm, and on the Dehler 105cm and that has a lot of importance in what regards D/L.


First Delher 46 then Salona 46
We can see that the yacht with bigger overall stability (also being the bigger sailboat) is the Elan E6, not only due to the bigger displacement but also due to the bigger form stability (more beam, beam pulled all aft) and due to a bigger RM coming from the keel. The Elan E6 does not have the bigger B/D, but the type of keel and the much bigger draft (2.85m) than the one on the Salona or Dehler, and a small B/D difference warrants a comparatively bigger RM from the keel.

Elan E6

However, a 2.85m draft will be too much for most cruisers, and even if the Elan E6 has an optional lower draft (2.40m) they don't disclose the ballast of that keel, and things can be different (or not) depending on that keel being substantially heavier (or not).

The Elan E6 will be the one that has more stability but also the one that will develop more drag (beamier with all beam pulled back) and in what regards power/drag, that is what really counts for performance, I would say that the three boats should be very close, considering the Dehler race version.

Dehler 46
The Dehler standard version, with a bigger D/L and being the one with less RM coming from the keel, is handicapped by a small draft (2.25m) on a lower performance L keel, and a difference in B/D does not compensate for that handicap. It is the less powerful sailboat and this is confirmed by the smaller  SA/D (22.8).

Salona 46
The upwind SA/D of the other yachts is very similar, confirming what I said previously regarding comparative performance, with the Elan having 24.8 SA/D, the Salona 24.2 and the Dehler race 24.6. It is good to remember that the Elan is what develops more drag and that means that its slightly superior SA/D may not compensate for the difference in drag. Probably while the Elan can be slightly faster downwind, with stronger winds, the Salona and the Dehler should be as fast beam reaching and faster upwind as well as with light winds in all points of sail.


Elan E6
The Elan offers the cruising advantage of sailing with less heel and probably will be easier to sail fast downwind, while the Salona and Dehler will sail upwind with more heel but with a more comfortable motion, slamming less. In the end, the preference in what regards sailing has to do with personal preferences and with the type of sailing one does more, more frequent winds and wind strength. 

The Salona and the Dehler race offer an additional vantage regarding Elan,  the standard draft that is 2.44m on the Salona and 2.58m on the Dehler race, a draft that is not excessive for most cruisers. 


Dehler 46
The same cannot be said regarding the standard 2.85m Elan draft. That means not only that you have to pay more for an optional heavier 2.40m keel, but also that you will end up losing performance to the Salona and Dehler, having a heavier boat and decreasing the SA/D.

Saying all this they are not very different yachts, neither in price, nor in performance (even if they have different strong points), neither in overall quality, or building materials and building methods. They offer better quality, performance, and seaworthiness than mass-produced big brands sailboats, offering also necessarily a slightly smaller interior, even if one with better quality.


Salona 46
The Salona is the only one that uses a stell grid (like x-yachts or Arcona) like structure, offering additional confidence in regards to the way keel and shrouds are fixed to the hull. Elan and Dehler offer also stronger and better hull structures (than what you find in mass production sailboats) with Dehler using what they call a carbon box structure.

If compared to big brands' mass-produced boats these sailboats offer also better and more expensive building methods and materials: they all offer vacuum infused techniques using vinylester epoxy-based resins on a sandwich hull, with a closed foam core, while cheaper yachts use polyester resins, hand-laid fiberglass, and a boat structure that is a "contre-moule", and in most cases a single skin hull, that offers incomparably less rigidity.

Choosing one over the other of these three performance cruisers will be a question of personal taste regarding the way one likes to sail, interior layout, style and eventually the comparative price of a fully equipped sailboat. We can say that the Elan and the Salona have a more modern look (in very different styles) while the Dehler 46 has its charms due to a more classical nice look and an interior that is not like any other and that you will love or hate.

More about the Salona 46: https://interestingsailboats.blogspot.com/2020/06/new-salona-460-best-value.html

Anyway, if you buy one of these you will have a far better sailing boat than if you buy a Hanse, Oceanis, Dufour, Jeanneau, or Bavaria. These performance cruisers are necessarily more expensive and it is up to you to decide if they deserve the extra money and I would say that it will be dependent on you having the extra money, or not, on the amount of sailing versus motoring you do and if you sail most of the time with nice weather or if you really need a stronger and more seaworthy sailboat.

More about the Dehler 46: https://interestingsailboats.blogspot.com/2014/10/dehler-46-azuree-46.html

These sailboats sell much less than the same size above-mentioned big brands mass-produced boats and that tells a lot about what most look for when they buy a boat: the bigger one, with the bigger interior for the money, is the prevailing rule. If that is what you want, then these are the wrong boats, also not the right boats if what you want is a prestige sailboat from a top brand with a luxurious finish, one that can really impress your friends by all accounts. 

These ones are about the best compromise between seaworthiness/sailing performance and price. There are better boats but they cost much more, more than the difference in price that separates these ones from the main brands' mass-produced boats.

The Elan E6 costs about 388 500€, the Salona 46 - 295 000€ and the Dehler 46 about 328 900 € all boats without tax at the shipyard. The bigger Elan E6 price has certainly to do with being the biggest of the three, a 46.3ft boat while the Dehler has 45.8ft and the less expensive Salona is a 44.3ft sailboat.

However, if the smaller Salona offers you the interior space you need, then the difference in price is substantial, considering that the Dehler price is the one of the standard version and you need the race version to have the same performance as a standard Salona. 



7 comments:

  1. Hello Paolo,
    Well written analysis as always. I find it strange that the E-yard is not answering your request for details as read in the article. What could be the reason for this? Surely it has a value if Elan is open and approachable in these questions.

    Leif

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  2. I don't know. I hope it does not mean bad news for Elan. They, like Salona, have been trying to survive in the last 10 years.

    In the Salona case due to the diminishing demand of cruiser racers. In what regards Elan they have tried to diversify their production, offering three lines, but one of them, the cruising line (Impression) offers old designed boats and the quality of the interiors is worse than 10 years ago, the GT line seems not to be well defined in what regards demands for a specific market niche, and does not correspond to the demands of the ones that want a performance yacht (bigger niche).

    And it seems it happens the same with the E6, that for a cruiser racer has too much freeboard and beam, looking not as nice or performant as it could have been, again in an attempt to attract a bigger market share (performance cruisers), but increasing the risk of losing the one they had already (cruiser racers).

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  3. Hi, I am no expert at boat design but I must admit the E6 looks quite fast despite the beamier design. One thing I noticed from her sailing videos is that the leeward rudder fin creates too much turbulence (drag) when heeling- (bad design?). .Here are some videos of her https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpeNymiObmM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyULJXOC_VQ

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  4. “ These ones are about the best compromise between seaworthiness/sailing performance and price. There are better boats but they cost much more, more than the difference in price that separates these ones from the main brands' mass-produced boats.”

    Which boats do you feel fall into the much better but more expensive boats?

    Which boats do you think best balance seaworthiness/performance (not necessarily speed, but a satisfying sailing experience), and luxury?

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  5. Better boats means better quality, not necessarily faster (some are slower, depending on type) and there are many, from Contest to Hallberg-Rassy passing by Oyster and in what regards fast boats, Arcona, Grand Soleil, Solaris, Ice Yacht, X-yachts, Swan and more.

    Luxury is something hard to define, some find that luxury is space and design with a good overall quality, some find that Luxury is on the details, on the quality and in the finish. If you are among the first, boats like the Contest, Oyster and Hallberg Rassy are the ones to look at, if you are among the ones that tend for the last definition, boats like Saare, Luffe, Nordship, Faurby, Mylius, Swan will be the one to look at ( they are very different sailboats, having in common great quality and great finish.

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  6. Hi Paulo,
    You are doing very good jobb with your blog.
    Some numbers from test of Elan E6 in Croatian More Sail Magazine.
    With standard sails:
    TWA:55 TWS:12,2 SOG:8,3 -,
    TWA: 48 TWS:12,4 SOG:8,1 ;
    TWA:57 TWS:10,2 SOG:8,3.
    With Code 0 and genaker:
    TWA:120 TWS:14,2 SOG:9,4,
    TWA:186 TWS:15,6 SOG:9,0,
    TWA:70 TWS:13,0 SOG:9,0

    Keep up with good work.
    Kind regards

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  7. Thnx again Paulo, great work on your blog! Love to read your analysis.

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