On the water, it is even more beautiful than in the drawings: elegant boats without a huge beam, and with a moderate freeboard have become so rare that when we look at a new one, that is also very well designed, the WOW factor is huge. Truly a gorgeous sailboat.
Unfortunately, I can't say the same about the interior, and I bet it will not please most. I am not talking about quality, which is a good one, I am talking about the interior style. Looking only at the drawings I have said in a previous post:
"I remember that 10 years ago when I saw the interior of the first "big" Italia yacht, the 13.98, I was truly impressed with the quality, design, and functionality. Near perfection in what concerns my taste.
In the last models, the quality remains high but the desire to innovate, and to make stylish interiors, led ... to cutting on functionality, over design style. ..that profusion of floating decorative wooden slats that we can see in the drawings, ...will create a nightmare in what regards cleaning, accumulating dust, not to mention finding and killing mosquitos, that are frequent in many med regions, and in other places."
The inspiration seems to be Japanese and the overall design shows quality, but also an oddity. Why in hell would somebody want a boat with Japanese taste, if you are not Japanese?
Contrary to Japanese design, the looks of this interior are not the result of a kind of functionality but result from the use of some elements of that language, applied here out of context and function.
Bigger Italia yacht (13.98). The use of mirrors can give a "funny" look |
They say they can provide the boat without slats, but then the interior would look naked and unfinished. In fact, the boat screams for a different interior and that would not be solved by having slats or not.
The references to traditional Japanese design are evident, and one wonders why? Vert few of these boats will be sold to the Japanese and most of them will be sold to Europeans and North Americans. |
In some places, textured waterproof paper is used and that seems to me a great idea, that could be used extensively in the interior, with different colors.
That could make for a unique and very different space, without unfunctional solutions, or oriental references. Like it is, there is no doubt that it is original, but being original is not enough, much less when that originality is dissociated from functionality.
And it is a crying shame because all the sail tests confirmed the impressions I have given about this yacht's sailing potential, in the post I made about it two years ago, when it was still in the design stage. I said then:
A good-sized but stark galley. the galley tap could not be less practical. |
"The hull has ... a different design, narrower, with the max beam pulled aft, but maintaining a rounded transom shape, without chines, for a very good performance in light winds and upwind. All in all, the new boat will have not only a superior power/drag relation as it will probably have a more favorable handicap, one easier to reach.
Compared with the previous model it will be, not only a faster yacht, but also a more competitive yacht in ORC/IRC races, excelling in upwind and with lighter winds, but with overall good performance.
Why use big wood roll blinders for a small port light? |
Compared to the Grand Soleil 44, the 12.98 is slightly smaller (13.16 to 13.40m) but considerably narrower (3.95 to 4.27m) with a not very different B/D (32.8% to 33.3%), but having the GS 13cm more draft. With more hull form stability, more B/D and more draft the GS 44 is a more powerful boat, but it is still to be seen if the lesser drag on the 12. 98 more than compensates (or not) for the lesser power.
Probably the 12.98 will be faster in light wind and upwind while the GS 44 will be faster downwind and beam reaching, with medium to strong winds."
Between the two, in what regard sailing characteristics I would choose this one....but, if I was really buying and choosing between the two, I would buy the GS44 instead because I would not be happy living in this interior, that I really don´t like and in this case, it is not a small difference, it is a basic difference, that I believe will handicap the sales in Italia yachts, not only on this but also in other models with a similarly designed interior.
And I have found out that this is not a personal dislike, Michael Good on the test video of Yacht.de says the same thing in a more "polite" way, but even so in a rare display of frankness, because they don't usually say this type of things regarding interior design options, being more, or less laudatory regarding style and quality but rarely critic.
On the same test sail, the tone regarding the 12.98 sailing performance is quite the opposite, it is enthusiastic. He says: "The racy Italian in the moderate version as a sports tourer "Bellissima" can shine with excellent sailing characteristics, both in strong and in light winds. On all courses and in all conditions, it shows a high-performance potential and the best steering characteristics."
"Controlling the IY 12.98, on the other hand, is simply a dream. The boat sits beautifully on the rudder, especially close to the wind, can be steered perfectly at the edge of the wind with a pleasantly light rudder pressure and reacts without delay to the impulses of the very directly coordinated steering."
On the Yachting World magazine test, they were also impressed with the 12.98 sail performance, in this case, only the light wind performance (light wind was what they got as sailing conditions during the test). They were also favorably impressed with the steering control and feel.
On the German magazine test, they were not too impressed with the two-winch position that is standard on the cruising version, which uses a running rigging with two winches on each side near the steering wheel, because they are too close, one to the other.
This is just the prototype and they say they are going to change that, but you can also have on Belissima (the more sedate performance cruiser version, the one that was on test) the same running rigging used on the "FuoriSerie", the faster cruiser-racer version, with a 6-winch layout, one that will allow you a better and faster sail control, without needing to open and close clutches, having all sheets already on the winches, that can be electric and controlled by a button.
The price is attractive, considering the good quality building, finish, and sail hardware, about 390 000 euros at the shipyard without VAT. A very well-equipped sailboat will cost about 550 000 euros, already including VAT. You can have more details about the Italia 12.98 here:
Looks is hard. I liked the interior except for the black border on the doors - remove those and it looks really sleek and modern. Exterior is like a falt toad. Awful. :-) See...
ReplyDeleteWell, it is dificult to please to everyone but I am absolutely sure that the exterior looks of the 12.98 will please to almost all that like very fast sailboats, and the others don't matter to Italia yachts, because they would never be interested in this type of sailboat anyway.
DeleteIn what regards the interior I don't agree with you in what regards taking away the black borders in the doors, they would spoil the design, that I said in the post that I find of good quality (professionally speaking, not a matter of taste), but inappropriate for a boat interior.
But in what regards that all opinion are valid, I mean being appropriate or not, it depends if you like to live in a boat with that interior, or not.
bom dia Paulo. Firstly, let me congratulate on your recent articles. As you know, I have been following your blog for quite some time now and I have always been impressed by the quality of your articles. But, I believe that your recent publications (this one, and the previous ones on HR400 vs. Saare, and Pegasus vs. Kraken) are even better. Great stuff!
ReplyDeleteWith regards to the interior design of the 12.98 - it seems to me that the Fuoriserie version of the boat gets rid of most of those problematic design elements and offers a more sober and practical interior. What's your take ... ?
best,
Markus
Bom dia Markus,
DeleteIn fact the two articles you mention give me 15 days work each and I am happy you like them, but in both I have regretted (at the middle) the time I was losing. To do them like that it demands not only knowledge, but a lot of research.
Regarding the Fuoriserie interior I reserve my opinion till a boat is finished with that interior and I can see photos. I will put links to the drawings for the ones that are following to know what we are talking about.
https://images.boatsgroup.com/resize/1/32/26/8083226_20221206220104344_1_XLARGE.jpg
https://images.boatsgroup.com/resize/1/32/26/8083226_20221206220026656_1_XLARGE.jpg
It is a good interior for a boat that will be used more for racing than for cruising, but the color, and probably the material of the cabinets is terrible, the color of the galley (sides) is too light, like the color of the panel on the base of the seats, as well as the color of salon walls (over the seats).
There are no cabinets on the salon (contrary to the Belissima) and the solution found, just to have indirect light, does not look nice.
In fact in what regards design quality it is a lot worse than the one in Belissima. It is not the design quality I don’t like in Belissima version, but the solutions, like the use of mirrors (in the base of the saloon seats), and fragile slats all over the salon and in the cabins, or the very light color of the galley side, with a visible huge steel fridge.
In what regards the saloon it is not the overall look I don't like, as much as the solutions not being adequate for a boat, with mirrors tending to degrade quickly and the slates being fragile and a trap for dust.
In fact it would not be difficult to change that interior, particularly in the saloon, but it is not enough just to take the slats away, it would be needed another solution to replace the visual function the slats are doing, or with wood inserts on the panel, or with a mixed solution using wall paper. It is work for a specialist, not for a owner, even if they say that they can do what a owner will wish.
It is not enough to just take away the slats. That will reveal that the port light is a small one and not centered with the saloon (due to the electric board to occupy one of the sides). You can notice that on the Fuoriserie version.
In fact slats are used to hide that and work visually in an efficient way, but there is more ways to achieve the same without creating an interior that does not work well in a sailboat.
And please, do not make me more questions that do a lot of work to answer LOL
All the best to you.
LOL ';-)
Deletethank you, Paulo.
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ReplyDeleteHi Paulo,
ReplyDeleteWith your elaborate negative comments on the interior, my take is that you and the rest of the writing yachting press are white males near or over 60 years old.
Typical for that demographic is they can appreciate innovation in general as long it’s not in design. You may like the Arcona 435 better, younger buyers may actually like the lighter, brighter better.
Yes, I am over 60 years old, but I am an architect and used do satisfy client dreams, no matter what and if one of them would want a house with a japanese flavor I would not have a problem with that.
DeleteThere are no innovation in putting a japanese influenced interior on a sailboat. It is as innovating as using a chinese influenced interior or any other cultural flavor you want to bring into design.
The point is that buyers of this yacht are predominantly European and in lesser extent American so what sense makes to have a flavored japanese interior?
In Europe there are great modern design tendencies, the Italian, the Sweden to name only two. Why the hell resource to a japanese flavoured design?
Wow, this sailboat is absolutely gorgeous! The outside design is so classy and beautiful. But, to be honest, I'm not a fan of the inside style. They tried to add Japanese elements, but it doesn't really fit and isn't practical. However, the boat sails amazingly well! Italia Yachts did a great job creating a powerful and competitive yacht.
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